SCA Interview
JOHN RICK (2004)
 An engraved Strombus
shell discovered by John Rick at Chavin, appears to show trophy
heads of sacrifice victims and spear-like weapons. Photo courtesy
of John Rick. |
John W. Rick is an Associate Professor of Anthropology at Stanford University
and the Curator of Anthropology Collections at the University's Cantor
Center. Born in Davis, California, he received his B.A. degree in
Anthropology from the University of California in 1972, and his Ph.D.
in Anthropology from the University of Michigan in 1978.
Dr. Rick came to Stanford University in 1978. He is the 1988 recipient
of the Hoagland Prize for Excellence in Undergraduate Education
and in 2001 was awarded Stanford's Allan V. Cox Medal for Faculty
Excellence in Fostering Undergraduate Research. In 2002, he received
the Richard W. Lyman Award for his contributions to Stanford alumni
education and its travel study program.
His research interests include the archaeological record of prehistoric
hunters-gatherers; processes of archaeological site formation; lithic
technology (decoding of stone tools); non-complex cultural systems;
adaptations of prehistoric hunter-gatherer populations to their
natural environments; exploration and preservation of Stanford's
prehistoric sites along the San Francisquito creek; human evolutionary
history; and digital technologies in archaeology. Dr. Rick has conducted
fieldwork in California, Arizona, New Mexico, Illinois, France,
Mexico, Brazil, Guatemala and Peru. His dissertation work and much
of his early research has focused on cave sites from the hunter-gatherer
period in the Peruvian highlands or puna. Following a harrowing
encounter with Peru's Sendero Luminoso ("Shining Path")
guerrillas in the central highlands in 1987, Dr. Rick relocated
his research efforts to the World Heritage site of Chavín
de Huántar in the northeastern highlands. Today, he is well
known for his work on the origins of social complexity at Chavín,
where he works in collaboration with his archaeologist wife Rosa
Mendoza de Rick. It was here in 2001 that he found a spectacular
cache of ceremonial Strombus shell trumpets.
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Dr. Rick is the author of numerous publications on archaeology,
including his well known book, Prehistoric Hunters of the High Andes
(Academic Press, 1980).
Dr. Rick was the Awards Banquet Keynote Speaker at the 2004 SCA
Annual Meeting in Riverside. The title of his presentation was,
"Exploring the Foundations of Authority at Chavín de
Huántar, Peru."
The following interview was made possible through the efforts of
SCA members Breck Parkman and Greg White.
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SCA: Can you tell us where you were born, and
a little about your early childhood?
JR: California born and bred, faculty brat from
Davis. Grew up in the academic environment of the 50's-60's, lived
through the San Francisco-Berkeley scene of the 60's. I traveled
to Peru a number of times with my parents, and was directly exposed
to archaeology. My father was a well-known expert in tomatoes, particularly
wild species, which took us plant-collecting up, down, and across
the Andes in Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Argentina and Chile; also
to the Galapagos Islands. My early, burnt-in memory of archaeology
was at the age of 6 when my mother stumbled upon a wonderfully preserved,
textile-wrapped mummy on the Peruvian coast; probably the critical
moment in determining my future career. After deviating from archaeology
in late high school, due to advice from teachers and counselors,
I returned to this original lifetime passion in college.
SCA: Who are the people that most influenced you?
JR: Clearly my father as a model scientist, workaholic,
expert traveler and explorer. A few high school teachers were influential
in improving my thinking, but really it has been archaeologist mentors
who meant a great deal to me -- in order, Jim O'Connell, John M.
Fritz and Meg Conkey, Paul S. "Pottery" Martin, Michael Schiffer,
Stuart Struever, Francois Bordes, Kent Flannery and Jeff Parsons.
In my professional life I have been a bit more of a loner (dictated
in part by what was a meager faculty at Stanford), but Luis Lumbreras
in Peru has been a major influence and a person to admire.
SCA: Do you have any hobbies or special interests
that you'd like to tell us about?
JR: I used to be a pretty good auto mechanic,
prior to the digital car age; I have a love-hate relationship with
cars; just can't justify being dedicated to something so actively
destroying our world, but I grew up a Central Valley hot-rodder
- "American Graffiti" wasn't quite autobiographical, but not too
far off; dragging J and K in Sac on Friday nights... Luckily my
Peruvian field vehicle (74 Toyota FJ-55) is still very much in the
"analog" world, and I can put in my time on it. Stone tool making
used to consume me, but time doesn't permit as much knapping as
it used to. Currently I have a passion for raising and consuming
citrus and chilies, when field seasons allow.
SCA: What do you like to do when you want to get
away from archaeology?
JR: That's irrelevant - I don't want to get away
from archaeology. Give me more.
SCA: Have you read a book or seen a movie recently
that you really enjoyed and can tell us about?
JR: I consume historical documentaries with a
passion. I recently saw most of the series "The New Zealand Wars"
about the history of Maori-European relationships and was, as usual,
fascinated. Although a bit superficial, I'm also enjoying my way
through the California Gold Rush book "The Age of Gold" by Brands.
SCA: If you hadn't become an archaeologist, what
career might you have chosen?
JR: Two real options, both of which I've hinted
at -- car mechanic, or historian. I like car mechanics because causes
are finite -- you can eventually figure out a problem completely,
although it may take quite some time. History I like because it
is intellectual pornography -- it hits all the pleasure points in
my mind; I wallow in it. I've enjoyed a bit of delving into, and
speculation about the history (and archaeology) of the Stanford
family; that's as close as I have come to living out the history
tendency.
SCA: Can you tell us a little about your training,
where you went to school, and what you remember about that time
in your life?
JR: U.C. Santa Cruz at the end of the 60's-early
70's was my undergraduate institution, and could not have been a
better place for me, moving me into more of a social consciousness,
getting me away from cars, allowing me to go barefoot all the time,
and giving me the time to explore archaeology in an unparalleled
setting. University of Michigan in the mid 70's was my graduate
institution, magical in very different ways. The excitement of the
evolving processual and explanatory archaeology that ran through
the faculty and grad students is even yet a standout in my experience.
The camaraderie and endless collegial sharing allowed me entrance
into so many new dimensions, theoretical, statistical, and proto-digital.
Life was typical of the times, I think, except that I went five
years without a summer in grad school, alternating between Michigan
winters and frigid dry seasons at 14,000 ft. in the Andes -- a lot
of time to go without ever feeling really warm.
SCA: What are some of your most memorable experiences
as an archaeologist?
JR: There's no question that discovery is what
engages me and keeps me going. Honestly, it's both intellectual
and material. The intellectual thrill of 'cracking' a dataset or
putting a digital model into analytical operationality is just fabulous.
Alas, I don't get the time to immerse myself in numerical data for
weeks at a time as I used to, which is ironic, given the potential
of the impressive digital tools we now have at our fingertips. We
still need the massive time-consuming exposure to our own data that
no amount of computing power can bypass (although it can be a great
help). But discovering the stuff of archaeology -- sites, artifacts,
and their implications is still a really big one for me. The 2001
discovery of 20 intact, decorated, and playable conch shell trumpets
in an underground gallery in the monument of Chav?n de Hu?ntar still
puts a shiver through me, and I'm still realizing the ramifications
of these dramatic chunks of material culture.
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SCA: What are some of the biggest challenges you've
faced as an archaeologist?
JR: People are the biggest challenge for me, beyond
a doubt. Trying to understand and get into the minds of those who
are involved or impacted by the archaeological research one does,
especially in well-removed cultural settings, is a strain on my
limited perceptions. How does one distinguish between being the
manipulator or manipulated? When do you roll with the flow and when
do you hold fast to your own perspective, especially when the long-term
survival of the archaeological record is at stake? Anyone on a public
interface of any type in this profession has dealt with this; I
find it rewarding but extremely wearing to act as cultural arbitrator
between agencies and people in the present as they deal with the
resources left us from the past.
SCA: What do you enjoy most about teaching archaeology?
JR: Introductory teaching, in which many students
attend a class primarily for satisfaction of degree requirements
rather than interest, is my favorite venue for trying to evoke change
in thinking. Seeing the initial interests develop and blossom in
some students is a great thrill; I never tire of the intro courses.
SCA: What is the most important thing you've learned
from your work at Chav?n de Hu?ntar?
JR: In addition to the immense importance of working
with the local community, I've labored at two big realms of understanding.
The first is how to deal with a site that is monumental in scale,
tremendously spatially differentiated (in terms of construction,
sedimentation, and content), and went through huge changes in strategy
and function as authority evolved. The second is the nature of human
authority and what it took to institutionalize and naturalize the
idea that humans could have tremendously unequal position in society.
Chav?n is a lesson in redesigning the human perspective on sources
of power and authority; I argue that the long formative trajectory
of this site illustrates a level of human originality and ingenuity
in rebuilding society, based on the manipulation of belief systems
that transforms the world of humans. In the end, Chav?n makes me
ask big questions about humanity and the way culture has evolved;
I honestly do not rest easily with some of the answers that seem
to loom large.
SCA: What would you recommend to those who are
just beginning their careers as archaeologists?
JR: (1) Learn to work digitally in every sense
possible -- it will offer chances to do things impossible otherwise,
and many of the digital skills have broad marketplace value, no
matter where you end up. (2) Get a very solid but broad theoretical
background to allow you to form a perspective and hopefully understand
humans, past and present. (3) Look for big picture understandings
in addition to knowing the details; don't be afraid to go out on
limbs, but always acknowledge speculation as just that. Understand
the broad importance of your data; push it to its limits, and be
prepared and content to be wrong. We don't advance knowledge if
we don't take chances. (4) Tune your social and political skills
for dealing (in an honest way!) with a broad range of communities.
SCA: In your opinion, what are the greatest successes
and failures of archaeology to date?
JR: We have made great gains in knowledge of the
past, and in knowing about how we know. We have reasonably good
arenas for professional debate, and fairly effective ways that our
understandings are updated and corrected. But both by our own directions,
and the structure of knowledge in our society, there is little possibility
of transfer of information to the public. The degree to which we
have advanced knowledge is great, but the level of general perception
of this knowledge is pitiful.
SCA: How might we make archaeology more relevant
to the public?
JR: We must learn to be able to make archaeological
knowledge and training available to directly benefit descendant
and geographically contiguous communities. We must encourage economically
viable and socially meaningful archaeological careers that will
help communities make archaeology their own, and when archaeology
doesn't look so terribly much like what we thought it should be,
we must still have the flexibility and wisdom to learn from it.
SCA: Do you believe that the past will continue
to have relevancy in the future?
JR: Absolutely, but it will not be a simple relevance
that we, as archaeologists, declare. Archaeology is going to be
much more public if it is to survive. We used to say that archaeology
will have to become more relevant if we expect people to pay it
attention. Now, I think in many places we face a much more serious
challenge -- people will go out of their way to deny archaeologists
their profession if we don't make it inclusive, not just relevant.
Archaeology is going to become increasingly political, whether we
like it or not, and we have to become much more competent and sophisticated
about our abilities to work cooperatively in an undertaking that
has major economic, social, and political impact -- so much so that
we may become small players if we don't find a way to contribute
to the larger processes, and meet some expectations the public has.
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Other Interviews with Annual Meeting Banquet
Keynote speakers: Dr. David Hurst Thomas (1997) | Dr. Lynne Goldstein
(1998) | Dr. Ian Hodder
(1999) Dr. Anna C. Roosevelt (2000) | Dr.
Brian Fagan (2002) | Dr. Ruth Tringham (2003) | Dr. Douglas
Owsley (2006).
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